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Discussion in 'Comps' started by GlenBaccarat79, Feb 14, 2016.

  1. GlenBaccarat79

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    Okay, the other post I just replied in got me to thinking once again. Comps and level of play.

    What's 'mine is mine' and also, 'don't play for comps' and the 'gambling experience'.

    Let me explain. BTW---'Been there and done that' and it was not pretty!

    I am a $50k F.M. type of player most of the times. Sometimes up to $100k F.M.. Usually my averages are about $1k to $3k a hand. I always get 1 or 2 bedroom suites, F&B at steakhouses, Italian, Asian whatever the better restaurants and of course we do the cafes/fast food at times and other misc. snack places on property. We do the spa, pool cabanas, and incidentals here and there. Sometimes show tickets on property or off property. Had many of our hosts 'hard' comp tickets to other casino chains to get their show tickets for us. Limo, car service around town if we choose, etc. Room setup, a few bottles, juices, sodas, fruit, chocolate, all kinds of stuff probably around the $750.00 retail mark if we paid for that out of pocket I would assume.

    I will not and never did except twice take markers, never again. I wont gamble with what I did not being or send in cash, 'what's mine is mine'. Firm believer in that. If I cant pay for it, I don't want to borrow it. Just my thoughts. I have to relate it to using my tools that I had to earn money to buy from the Snap On truck rather than borrowing someone else's and worry about breaking them or losing them, etc. Works better for me.

    When I gamble, I want to have fun. I want it to be enjoyable and leave planet earth. I want to sit there and forget clients, truck lines, police departments, motorists and their secondary crashes at accident scenes, insurance companies calling after they authorized us to clean it up and then attempt to chop the invoicing and many other things like those. I don't want to worry about repaying a marker, or the money in my bank account that I really do need but hey, in all reality it would have been the same, I could have taking it out and wired it and then played with my own funds. But I did not, I opened a marker and they gave me a line that my account is supposed to cover no matter if the cash is in there or not. And If I lost the money, I still have it in my account and I can use it but I really have to repay the casino. Criminal charges will be pressed if I don't and although I have no intention of screwing them.....oh well, I can go somewhere else and open a line real quick and gamble some more on tilt to recover the money I just lost and have to repay soon.........etc., etc., etc. I know a few that got sucked in and believe me they had the money in their accounts when it all happened.

    Like I said, just works better for me after all these years. The exact same, "THE EXACT SAME" as having a car financed with near zero down, after a year the car gets totaled. I owe $50k or more on the car. It is worth $35K. All the expenses are about $5k in and above what I am also going to get back. The shitty insurance company is giving me book for the vehicle and I am losing right at $20k. Oh well. If I paid cash for something almost as nice, maybe not a $150k car or even a $75k car, just a $30-45k car I probably would not have got a $20k hit for all the financing and related expenses I have to make whole now and being upside down on the car, etc.

    To reinforce that, I just did my taxes a couple weeks ago. I got about $5k credits for vehicle expenses, mileage, gas, repairs, license plates, etc., one vehicle is strictly used for business purposes that is not paid for or reimbursed by the company. The IRS does not care if that is a Mercedes costing $150k or a 1990 Ford Taurus costing $2k. The credit and deductions does not matter what kind of auto it is. But with something reasonable, I made out okay.

    Played since 1979. I don't like the gut wrenching, sick to my stomach, feeling. It sucks and sucks and sucks. I like the happy, normal way I am at home or on the street, when I am in the casino. I pay for Peter Lugers, I pay for Old Homestead Steakhouse down in the NYC meat market district, I pay for Windows on the World a top the World Trade Center when it was standing (God Bless!), but I also pay for McDonalds (the kids these days!) a pizza place, KFC or Popeye's and a Coney Island Hot Dog. I want to eat the same at the casino, I am comfortable. Sure I will like to try new things once in awhile but personally have no ambition to hang out in places that I don't care about their food just cause it is expensive or rare. I also don't want to eat a microwave burrito from a gas station cause it is real cheap. A dinner for 4 at Jasmine at the Bellagio or anyone of the regular steakhouses will probably be $1,000.00 for about $150 of food each (which is a lot) we just like lots of appetizers and deserts also that seem to add up) and a couple of bottles. One the other hand, even though we are pretty much full RFB we will head over to Spring Mountain Road and pay out of pocket for something like Hot and Juicy for the spread of prawns, corn on the cob ad all the trimmings and 30 long necks, whatever. We make our times great. To sit in the casino property and eat there just cause its comp'd cuts down on 'our' fun.

    Oh lord, I have seen a lot more than one player asking the floor person or a host for say dinner at one of the restaurants and they come back with, play a little more and then we will see what we can do. Then the guy winds up losing many times what he could have just paid out of pocket for that meal. There is just something about being in a casino with most people that they lose there normal reasoning and intelligence.

    I constantly hear the players at Caesar's and Bellagio, etc., continually reciting how much they are down and how much their marker lines are and how much they have to win to be even. I am not saying front money players are more intelligent or better gambler's. I am just saying how it allows me to feel better and not get sucked in. Would I rather have a 5,000 square foot suite above the 1,500 or 2,300 square foot one I get? Sure, but I don't want to continually be sucked into playing at that level because I have to in order to maintain the theo, points, and comp, etc.

    I won just about $100k off one shoe at Caesar's the year before last. At the end of the shoe my host was there. Can I get you this or that, etc. No. I am always the same. He never shows up when I am losing, I know why and then the open the marker line crap comes and I can do more for you than I already do speech follows. I am fine. I am comfortable, win, lose or draw. I seriously believe the "TRICK" to maintaining one's mind, clear thinking and the way you will actually govern your win or loss while gambling----is to pre-set your limits either way and 100% adhere to that. You have to forget about going on tilt, withdrawing more money, wiring in additional funds, etc. All of that, at least for myself, does not work the highest majority of the times, like 95% our of 100. Losing time is losing time and that is it, doesn't matter what you do or think of. If you are going to win you will do so with your normal buy in and normal bank roll, you will not require additional funds. That is why I say, "Watch Out", be careful. You have to have a definitive game plan and stick to it.

    In my earlier years of gambling, say 80's and 90's, I didn't think much about it all in the real world. It was too pretentious and probably just fell in that rut most do. But more so the past ten years of attempting to be more down to earth and real world when in and at a casino. I don't have to be there and I don't have to stay at a certain place, for lack of a better more detailed explanation, I will just explain by saying.....well because if its not this week or weekend--next is fine too.

    There are clients of mine that I serviced in the past. Huge clients like Penske and Ryder truck lines. I got calls from their national director of on-road breakdown departments. Hey Glen, if you open a shop and put some trucks over in such and such a couple hundred miles away, I will give you all my work. I do a lot over there and I am pissed at so and so. I asked them all, will you put that in writing and they all say that they cannot. I wasn't going to invest the kind of money, equipment and manpower it takes to staff shops to bank on a few clients that might abandoned me the way are so quick to abandoned another. Casinos are the exact same, if it isn't you sitting there, it will be someone else. That is why you have to compete to get certain things on busy weekends, etc. So like I said, if I don't play it and don't feel comfortable doing what I say I am going to do, consistently, I wont do it to get something special. Especially in Vegas.
     
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  2. Malibugolfer

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    Glen, I think what you are describing is your personal evolution in your gambling to what you do now in terms of money management and discipline.
    If doing it all with FM is the best way for you (and perhaps others), then I congratulate you on the steps you have taken to manage your bankroll.
    I draw markers but bring my bankroll $20K or so, so as to manage my BR in somewhat a similar way.
    There of course are issues with all FM in one house but you certainly have taken all the benefits vs. drawbacks into consideration.
    BTW, SS is my host at Wynn, I related to your other comments regarding her.
     
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  3. GlenBaccarat79

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    SS has an attitude like all of Wynn, she fits right in like Play-Dough in a mold! The lady called me up after a couple of trips. Both trips had problems. Not on my end, on Wynn's end. SS told me flat out, come out and stay with us or I will drop you from the email and invite list we have. LOL, F****king drop me, go right ahead. It was the biggest insult I ever heard of from a host. Charlie Ward gets on the phone and apologizes and tries to make things better. I know a few people on my wife's side that tried to play there, all with $50k or more cash, all at least several thousand $$ a hand players. Solid players and they seldom ask for more than a regular 1 bedroom suite and airfare, limo to and from the airport and a few meals on property, maybe some doughnuts or hot coco. The place reeks of attitude and 'we will get around to you when we do', pamper us we are the employees your just a customer. Sorry, but true.

    Actually I never forgot that one and yes, it all could have been patched up I am sure. But when something minor went wrong and they of course, will not admit it--make you feel like it was totally your fault, and then call up to say, if you don't come out you are dropped from there ever so special invitation list and offering from the marketing department.......etc., come on, give me a break. What, they have so many millions of players there computer server is running out of storage space for their mailing list??

    Susan is a bitch, plain and simple. I have stayed and played many places. Mirage, Bellagio, TI, PH, RIO, Red Rock, GN, the old Hilton when it was the Hilton, and a few others. I have had a few problems with a couple of hosts. Never had the attitude or the pompous talk and offerings of Susan. I had three problem at the Wynn. On each occasion not even as much as a sincere host or other staff person to apologize and even offer a cup of hot coco and a candy bar or even a slice of pizza while we sit down and get it resolved. It is an insult to play there IMO and only IMO. I am not begging to play anywhere, and if there is a problem, large or small, fix the damn thing and pat me on the back and we will continue. The Wynn did not do that, on 1, on 2 and on 3 occasions.

    And yes, I am relating my personal experiences and my personal beliefs. No right or wrong, just right and wrong how a player handles his finances and gambling, etc.
     
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    I always thought Charlie Ward was a very nice guy. Played golf with him every time when I was there. He always straightened out my ratings with no problems. Too bad he went to Macau I think...
     
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    Yes, Charlie went to Macau. No problem with Charlie. At the time, I didn't want to deal with Susan any longer and that is how Charlie got involved,. Telephone tag or something. I believe, when I got back to him, that he transferred to Macau.
     
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    If I gave you the impression that I believe there is something wrong with markers, there is not. The problem lies with the players going on tilt and grabbing everything they can. There is losing and winning, winning is not a problem unless you give it back. Losing is the problem. Markers have gotten many players in trouble, big trouble. More trouble than bringing a cash bank roll and losing it. I bring my BR to gamble and that is it, no matter how I split it up or divide it per day or per property, whatever. If the BR goes, that is it, done. The problems generally don't arise from the start or what is brought on the trip. The problems generally arise from what is done to continue gambling. Many have not faced the fact that, sometimes you can't recover. It is a huge argument that would take countless hours to hash out, "if you don't play you can't win" and "if you don't try to get your money back, you won't", etc., etc. However, more of my point is they attempt and do suck in the majority of players.
     
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    I also feel the lack of appreciation/respect for players from hosts. At the end of a winning trip at Harrah's AC last year, I asked my host to take care of some small room charges, he told me I didn't "lose" enough this trip to cover all charges so he covered everything except for $8 from the final bill. I found that to be the biggest slap in the face I ever had from a casino. This is why Borgata is now my AC exclusive. Their hosts aren't much better, but at least I'm comfortable and feel spoiled.
     
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    The best host the Borgata ever had is when the first open for a few years. James Lee and Lillian Lee. The eventually left in the 2000's. The lady that was very good there although zero personality and probably a closeted Female Dominatrix :), was Julie Estrada that eventually went to The Tropicana when it became High Limit 'hot' a few years back. But she was good, knew the players, spot on, stop problems before happening and made things seamless. Played there a lot at their Big Bac table.
     
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    I remember when Julie
    I remember when Julie left, but I couldn't follow to Trop. I still hate that place to this day (even with their new IKEA remodeled rooms :ROFLMAO:). They do have a nice VP bar now with decent paytables, though.
     
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    Julie was good no doubt..
     
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    all of the above is why I feel that the player / host relationship is still the most important aspect of why you should or should not gamble at a certain property. A good host that goes to bat for you goes a long way........................
     
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    But what if he/she doesn't like your friends?!? ;)
     
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    It was on their Asian end of the staff if I remember. Like the Asian host staff not following up, not returning calls, etc. They wanted to play there and really felt like they were begging. A group of us went one time from another property and when we got there the Asians wanted some comp and stuff set up, couldn't get a hold of the host they previously talked to and eventually just paid out of pocket whatever it was. A combination of several events happening like that. Even when one of them went to the host office, dealys, wait, no answers.
     
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    time to get new friends.

    obviously.

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