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The Best Cheap Blackjack in Vegas - Article

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    Read a piece from Covers on low limit blackjack with a low house edge.

    Written by: Marc Meltzer | Jul 18, 2016

    "If you're looking for a low-limit game of $5 blackjack, don't waste your time on the Vegas Strip. Downtown Vegas has plenty of cheap blackjack options.

    The majority of people who visit Las Vegas aren’t high rollers. I read somewhere that the average sports wager in Las Vegas is around $20. Most people I see at the tables are wagering red chips ($5 units), not green ($25) or black ($100) chips. Video poker players usually play at the quarter denomination while the majority slot machine players may play the penny games.

    Today, I’m more of a medium roller but tend to keep my wagers on the low side since I’m in a casino a few times a week. It’s a lot easier to be a high roller when you aren’t in a casino every few days, but I digress.

    Casino gambling odds and rules tend to be kinder to the high rollers than the low rollers. If there’s a bad rule to be found, you can expect to see it start at the lowest limit tables. It’s because of this that it’s important to do some research about games before hitting the casino so you know which games to look for.

    When I do Las Vegas casino game research, I focus on this low-to-middle level of gambling. Specifically, I focus on blackjack which is the most popular table game to play in Las Vegas. I'm researching for the masses. This isn’t entirely selfless since the information helps me as well.

    Recently, I took a look at the best blackjack for low rollers on the Vegas Strip and downtown Las Vegas. These two parts of Las Vegas are where most visitors spend their time.

    Best Low Rollin’ Blackjack on the Vegas Strip

    $10 Blackjack
    • Bally’s – House Edge: 0.57
    • Bellagio – House Edge: 0.46
    • Caesars Palace – House Edge: 0.57
    • Flamingo (and Margaritaville) – House Edge: 0.57
    • Harrah’s – House Edge: 0.55
    • New York – New York – House Edge: 0.48
    • Paris – House Edge: 0.57
    • SLS Las Vegas – House Edge: 0.48
    • Treasure Island – House Edge: 0.46 and 0.48
    • Tropicana – House Edge: 0.57
    $15 Blackjack
    • The Cromwell – House Edge: 0.57
    • Excalibur – House Edge: 0.66
    • The Linq – House Edge: 0.57
    • Planet Hollywood – House Edge: 0.57
    Best Low Rollin’ Blackjack in Downtown Las Vegas

    $5 Blackjack
    • Binion’s – House Edge: 0.66
    • California – House Edge: 0.60
    • The D – House Edge: 0.46 & 0.64
    • Downtown Grand – House Edge: 0.64
    • El Cortez – House Edge: 0.30 and 0.45
    • Fremont – House Edge: 0.60
    • Golden Gate – House Edge: 0.61
    • Main Street Station – House Edge: 0.60
    • Plaza – House Edge: 0.64
    $10 Blackjack
    • El Cortez – House Edge: 0.30
    • Four Queens – House Edge: 0.57 & 0.60
    • Golden Nugget – House Edge: 0.48 & 0.60
    • Plaza – House Edge: 0.456
    $15 Blackjack
    • Binion’s – House Edge: 0.60
    I don’t have the time or patience to visit every casino to gather the information in person. Visit the Wizard of Vegas blackjack survey to find the specific rules and number of games available for these and all blackjack games in Las Vegas.

    You see that both areas of Las Vegas have a similar number of blackjack games with a low house advantage for under $25. It should be noted that the Vegas Strip has more than twice the number of casinos as you'll find in downtown Las Vegas. There are still casinos offering good low-limit games on the Vegas Strip but not nearly as many as anyone would like.

    Since the Vegas Strip sees the bulk of the tourists, the few good low-limit tables are almost always packed. Downtown Vegas casinos have so many low-rolling blackjack options and fewer tourists that it might be easier to find a good game in those casinos. If I'm playing blackjack and not at a party pit, there's a good chance you'll find me at one of these tables."

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    Wait - so there are $10 3:2 games, at under 0.5% HA, available on the Strip?
    • Bellagio – House Edge: 0.46
    • New York – New York – House Edge: 0.48
    • SLS Las Vegas – House Edge: 0.48
    • Treasure Island – House Edge: 0.46 and 0.48
    Who knew?
    I am skeptical about this.
     
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    I bet they are during particular times during the week. I will try to snake some out over my next few trips to try and validate this guy's article. I agree with your skepticism, but maybe we will be proved wrong? Bellagio is the only one on the list that makes me question it. The other three seem more likely.
     
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    It looks to me like there is a bug in the Wizard of Vegas survey odds calculator.

    Some of those cheap strip games are 6:5 and simply have an incorrect house edge reported.

    EDIT: From what I can see

    Bellagio has only 6:5 at $10, but it shows the 3:2 house edge

    Bally's has H17 3:2 AND 6:5, but shows the same edge for both.
    Caesars looks correctly calculated, but I doubt you'd find it at $10 often
    Flamingo seems to be correct (but $10 is only very off hours)
    NYNY seems to be accurately calculated (but only 2 tables with those rules)
    SLS looks accurately calculated, but I don't know that I consider it a strip property
    Treasure Island and Trop seem correct as well.
     
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    It would be interesting to have one of these surveys done in a different format. It would probably be easier and more helpful for a lot of people if there were a survey that showed you what the minimum would be to get the best rules, at any given property. For instance, if one were staying at Bellagio, and planned on playing there primarily, if to get to an acceptable game (maybe not every last good rule, but the big ones at least to get the edge down to the .5% range), the survey may say $25. Thinking about playing at Venetian, well the minimum to get decent rules might be $100.

    At the end of the day, you're using the same data but it would be presented in a way that would allow someone to determine where they want to play first and then decide if the minimum would be acceptable. For a lot of people it makes more sense to know what the minimum is to get the best game where they want to play, simply because they aren't going to chase the best rules all over the Valley. People will primarily play at or near where they stay...
     
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    Definitely the Wizard's survey page needs some attention. It's out of date, and errors seem to have crept in as a result of changes to the layout.

    Credited as a source, the OnlineBlackjack site also furnishes Las Vegas survey data and analysis, but it doesn't appear to update regularly.

    As far as I know, the best info source is Stanford Wong's monthly Current Blackjack News, but it's expensive: $17 single issue.
     
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    Part of the difficulty is that the minimum is likely to change dramatically at different times of day, and not in a way that's regularly predictable. At Aria, for example, the "good" pit (i.e., the one by Jean Philppe that's 3:2 and no CSMs) can be anything from $25 to $100 for the H17 games, and then more for the S17 games.
     
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    True, and many casinos are casual about posting rules at the table. To obtain full details, you may need to ask questions. It's a challenge for anyone attempting to compile a comprehensive survey.
     
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    Well, for the purpose of clarity (where I can provide it!), the following are all of the (true) blackjack games available downtown that I'm aware of:
    DD pitch, H17, no DAS. ($5 @ Boyd, $10 @ DTG, $15 @ 4-Queens & Nugget)
    DD shoe, H17, DAS allowed. ($5 @ El Co, $15 @ GG, $25 @ Plaza, $50 @ 'theD')
    8-deck shoe, S17 with DAS allowed. ($15 @ Nugget. I think this is the only S17 game downtown.)
    6-to-8 deck shoe, H17, DAS allowed. $5 at multiple locations.

    Anyone - please feel free to correct me if I've made any errors or omissions.
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