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"Programs" and "stay and play"

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Packer, Feb 14, 2016.

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  1. Packer

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    Lot's of rambling here, sorry in advance...

    Im not the only one that insists you "PLAY WHERE YOU STAY" but some just can't do that. What I mean is, why would you play anywhere else than where you are staying? Why throw money away (win or lose doesn't matter) at a property that you would never stay at? Only because of personal preference I wouldn't ever stay at SLS. I would go for dinner or meet friends there though. I might even play 10x odds craps there but for VERY low stakes. 25.00 with 250 behind maybe. Never 1000s. No value for me. Might as well go to a local indian casino.
    I only play where I stay because I'm going to gamble anyway and I might as well get comps for my play. In most cases that adds up to 100s and 1000s of dollars. Don't play for the comps as they will just come with play.

    Or, programs.... Staying at one property and going to another due to getting a loss rebate doesn't make sense to me either? For instance I might get a 10% loss rebate at casino #1 and a 3% loss rebate at casino #2. If I'm staying at casino #2 I am essentially getting back the 3% rebate plus 6k or so in what I call "retail" comps (room, food, bev and so on)... Casino #1 if I play and lose 50k let's say I get 5k. Great, but I lost 50k!!

    One more thing, you go for a 4 day trip, you dont hate the hotel/casino you are going to but you LOVE others and you stay at that hotel because their "program" is MUCH better. Wouldn't you rather stay at the hotel you love and feel much more comfortable in for whatever reason than stay at the better program hotel? To me I'm already going and planning on losing (hopefully not) so stay at the hotel I love. Who cares about the $$$ coming back in rebates/programs. Isn't it adult, expensive entertainment anyway?

    Promo chips don't count. We all go there check in play a little and bail. Don't we?

    Do you believe in "play where you stay"?

    Do you actually stay at a hotel/casino solely due to their program? (Even if you like another property much better) Why?
     
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    I'm a much smaller roller but we love cosmo so we stay there. Because I like to wander around, we double book at a CET prop and play and eat there some too. I like to ensure I'm getting my bang for my buck (i.e. losses haha).

    I'm kind of interested in trying out mlife or Wynn /Encore, but like what we do now. We'll occassional play others, for example mlife props, but I the vast majority of my spend is now at cosmo, a little at CET, and the rest is practically incidental.
     
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    Got bit before by doing that, complete different frame of mind. It is bad to set your self up to fail, but players do it to themselves, every single one of them!

    I am right at the $50k Front Money type of player, sometimes less sometimes $75k, never more than $100k. I never ask for anything at the $50k level even though I would get it. Loss rebates, agreed suck, don't do shit, never did and never will. You will run back in and wager aggressively and more stress and more loss aggravation. Does not work!

    I have good relationships with most hosts and try to never abuse, always full RFB&I ) I = (incidentals). However, if I played less than average or what was really required to be comp'd the amount I get, the host never says anything due to the fact we don't nickel and dime each other and less stress is the result. If I get $10k in RFB&I comp and could have received $14k it's all good. If I have $10k to get comp'd at the end of the trip and have $7k comp coming after the technical theo is calculated, the $10k is covered and nothing said. It works both ways.

    To go in somewhere and say, I want so and so and will play such and such and the way you have to play is not your real comfort zone and style or choosing because it is really not the way you do gamble, it sucks. If you go in and say, here is what I will do and that is it, win, lose or draw and here is what I want, will I get it? If the answer is yes, it's good. If not, take what they give you and plan on paying for the rest. But at that point you start playing harder and heavier and calculating what you can get, it will and it will every time come back to haunt you and cost you!
     
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    Well said GlenBaccarat! You and I are just about exactly the same in play, philosophy and we might have the same host! We are blessed and lucky to have that kind of host. Not many like that out there.
     
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    I think it's all about what you value most.

    for me, the experience is paramount, so I stay where I'm most comfortable both in the room and at the tables regardless of the deal.

    MGM is basically screwing everyone these days, myself included. so why would I keep staying there, when I can get a way better deal down the street at Cosmo? because I love the Mansion, am most comfortable at the tables there, win there the most frequently, my host takes great care of me and I enjoy the golfing and events. if it were all about the cash, Cosmo would be the only choice. but I don't like the hotel, don't really feel comfortable at the tables and rarely win there. so it makes no sense for me to ever stay there.

    I've talked to Nate about this several times because he's totally different from me in that respect. he couldn't care less about the suite and doesn't care that much about the golf and events. he wants the best deal, so he goes where they give him the best deal regardless of any other the other perks.

    neither is wrong, it's just a different value system.
     
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    And when I start to bang them with $5k and $10k wagers, I refuse to get sucked in. Like I said, I have in the past and it wasn't pretty and never ever, never worked out in my favor or my pocket after a little while. Like on the highway, you can speed for a little while a very short distance and not worry and usually get away with it. Try going 90mph for 300 miles??? How comfortable are you going to be???
     
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    To answer, the last with my detailed host conversations about this was MGM, no. Must be or should be at the property you are staying. CET was otherwise. Stay with us, in fact one of my favorite hosts at P.H. would book me at C.P. and tell me I can play at any CET property and they were okay with it. Or stay at P.H. and play at another CET property, etc.

    We usually do stay where we are comfortable and like the property. We use the property as a 'base' but will venture out and play at other properties. Likewise, we eat about 50-60% of the meals there and always venture out even if is means paying out of pocket for the meal.

    And with some other small properties or non-chain property, that is what is the largest downside to staying with them. Especially if there is no real action, then you become stuck and I am not comfortable with doing that.
     
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    my best time was 534 miles in 5.5 hours.

    started driving Thanksgiving day at 4am and no one was on the road.
     
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    I learned to value my license having 0 points. I also still hold a CDL cause I need the ability to drive some of our trucks. CDL's are susceptible to being revoked with ridiculously low points and forcing you back to a regular DL. Like I said, I am more comfortable doing it 'my way'. On the other hand, if I am in my 'quick response vehicle' and going to a site I have no problem to do 80-90 and would never be cited.

    I think one speeding in 15mph or greater will revoked a CDL and as well a DUI or DWI even in a personal vehicle will also revoked a CDL and downgrade the status to a regular license. 20 years ago I would have had a different outlook, I changed.
     
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    So, play only where you stay?

    Would you stay at say Tropicana because they will give you that 9000 sq ft room for the same play as you play now?
     
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    I like staying at the Mirage but I keep losing there and they have gotten rid of tiles. As a result I have been spending more trips playing/staying at Caesars properties. I like being able to move around properties in the CET family which I can't do with Mlife. I have been playing at Wynn and Encore more and more each trip and enjoy playing there but the issue I run into is that I get virtually no comps there compared to Mlife/Total Rewards. My per trip budget is usually in the 10K - 15K range per trip. I play BJ and Baccarat around 250/hand and play tiles about 500 per hand.

    So I guess the summary is that my playing preferences aren't lining up with my staying preferences/deals.
     
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    I am small fish compared to you, bronco, shifter, sailboat, nate, PT etc...

    I prefer to stay where I play... Granted at CET properties i always get a nice room, and thats fine, i do charge backs and most of it gets taken care of.

    I stayed at Cosmo in December and I was very impressed, I guess I gambled *cough cough* lost enough 4700 there that I have 4 nights free until may and then I just got another flyer for 4 free nights.

    Ive debated at staying at Wynn or Bellagio before, but I dont think I would even get free rooms there, as most know Im a 100-150 average craps player, and VP.
     
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    Why can't you at mlife? And if you are playing with 10 to 15k at 250 to 500 a hand at Wynn I guarantee you will get comps.
     
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    I would not stay there solely for a larger suite and possibly a program of rebates on loss better, for a $50-100K F.M. account.

    If I like the property, which by the way I do the Miami'ish 80's Trop, and had a nice suite as any other place within close comparable, I would stay there.

    I used to go almost solely to P.H. and then started bouncing between, The Mirage, T.I., Caesar's, The Rio, Red Rock and another couple on limited occasions.
     
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    It was my understanding each property acts as its own when it comes to comps despite all being under the Mlife umbrella. If I'm staying at Mirage and go play the whole trip at Bellagio and Aria my Mirage host can't do much for me.
     

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