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The part of article that woke me up a little is this quote:

Ed Jacobs, the attorney for the nine-time

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bracelet winner, stressed that the judge affirmed that Ivey had followed every rule of Baccarat and did not commit fraud. "What this ruling says is a player is prohibited from combining his skill and intellect and visual acuity to beat the casino at its own game," he said, adding Ivey will appeal the ruling soon. "The casino agreed to every single accommodation requested by Phil Ivey in his four visits because they were eager to try to win his money."



I'm not a lawyer or trained legal expert but that got me wondering if this ruling could be used as precedent for ruling that card counting or other forms of AP are illegal. My understanding is that card counting - assuming you aren't using a computer or other type of device to help you do it - isn't considered illegal, just (lol 'just') a reason to get banned for trespass or otherwise harassed by a casino.

 

I wouldn't be too worried about that.
Proving that somebody is counting is all but impossible.
"Mr. Topcard - isn't it true that you were employing a so-called "Hi-Lo" count when you were playing that double-deck game last April?"
Me: "What's a 'Hi-Lo count'? Oh, and what is 'counting' supposed to mean? I'm confused. Aren't there 52 cards in every deck? How does counting them help anyone?"

 

He will give the money back or he will be 86'd from all of MGM's properties. He loves to play cash games at Aria and Bellagio

 

i don't get him having to repay what he won at craps with the ill gotten bacc win. go figure.

 

I find this ruling to be a bit tenuous ... the judge is interpreting the "spirit" of the law too loosely. I think this will be reversed on appeal.

 

Can you tell the difference?

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I can fool myself into thinking so because the exhibit tells you what to look for. If you showed me just the card and asked "do the two edges look any different?" there's no way I'd be able to tell. There's 5x more no way I'd be able to tell looking at the card from a distance, and having to do it at "game speed" in a casino. If anyone can make money this way, I'm pretty damn impressed.

 

I read Borgata wanted an additional 200K for the amount they "should have" won for the time he played. Who is cheating who here?

 

This is a terrible ruling. Now, if they proved collusion with the dealer? Then yeah - he's guilty of cheating. But they didn't.
As a simple matter of "observation", it is not Ivey's responsibility if the card-backs have edge differences. That's the casino's responsibility & it's also theirs to make sure their dealers shuffle properly...that means turning cards, in large groups, during the shuffle process.
If their dealer failed to do this, it is not Ivey's fault.
To me, this is no different than a blackjack dealer inadvertently flashing their hole card to first or third base players. That's not cheating either. That's dealer incompetence...and the casino's responsibility - not mine.

Decades ago, I was playing blackjack at the Reno Hilton & got this clearly-nervous, rookie dealer. He continually mis-payed on hands... a lot of them... he paid me on pushes...he paid me 3:2 on 21s after splitting aces... he mis-read his 3 & 4 card 18s as 17s.
After about 20 minutes, the pit came over and got him out of there...brought in a speed-dealer.
After 2 or 3 hands, I colored out...pit says "Hey - where are you going? You know you owe us a chance to get that money back!"
I said, "Sorry - gotta go!"
Didn't get stopped... didn't get hassled at the cage... didn't get sued.

 

I just think it's ridiculous based on the sole fact that the casino agreed to his requests. They chose to give him the requested cards, shuffle machine etc...

And to go after the craps winnings is absolute BS. It's. It like he's a broke as who scraped together his last $100, cheated the casino, and then took his winnings to the crows table and doubled it. He would have had the bankroll to buy in at craps regardless of whether he won or lost at bacc.

Mind boggling.....