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My Baccarat Style

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by GlenBaccarat79, Feb 6, 2016.

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  1. GlenBaccarat79

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    I have played this game since the Playboy Casino opened in Atlantic City. Talking about that, why in the heck did they make they cute waitresses run around with those big black bunny ears and that stubby bushy tail protruding from their ass?? Did we really want to fornicate with rabbits?? Okay, with that said, onward.

    Well, years ago there was only 'the big tables' in the high limits and the mini tables where the dealer stands up same as Blackjack on the main floor. No Midi or Macau style in the high limits or main floor.

    The big tables is where there was up to 7 players on each side, 3 dealers and 2 floor people on each table. The shoe was hand shuffled each time by all three dealers and then the shoe went to seat one or wherever it finished in the last game if the players desired that. The shoe remained with each player as long as he made Banker winning hands. Once a Player winning hand came out, the shoe would be past from seat 1 to 2 to 3 and so on. It was considered bad karma, bad morals by most to pass the shoe. Players were waiting on their chance to pounce on a long Bank. There was tons of camaraderie back in the 80's and 90's that seems much rarer these days.

    Bellagio used to have one Big table and only put it back for Asian New Year as well Mirage had a couple and several in the rear in their private rooms. But Mirage consolidated their separate Baccarat room into their regular high limit room next door where their HL cashier was always at. Caesar's always had 2 big tables reduced from a few years back of always have 4. Now they usually have 1 and put an extra one in for Asian New Years as well. It varies from property to property. Even now at the 'big tables' I see the players take the shoe less and less, opting for the dealers to run the table Midi/Macau style. I know they do this so they can wager easier on the Players side instead of taking the shoe and wagering against the shoe. But, if they only played back when there was only 'big table' the players would understand the way the game was played and that their thoughts are just fallacies.

    With the onset of the Midi or Macau style table where the dealer always maintains the shoes, I have noticed less capitalization on runs by large and far. Another interesting aspect of the players of baccarat post 2001 era is that, it is often mentioned this is an Asian game. Yes, it is usually contained in the Asian section of the casino if they have on or in an 'Asian Room' with Pai Gow Poker, Tiles, etc. I would say this is because of the Macau gaming movement sometime in the early 2000 era as well. Prior to 2000 it was very common to see the baccarat tables have more non Asian players than Asian players. Heck after all, it originated in Europe and eventually was brought over to Vegas from Cuba by a mobster/hotel promoter back in the 50's if my memory serves me.

    With that said and having played the game with virtually every style of player, play and casino in Atlantic City, Vegas, Southern California, South Florida, various Midwest properties, Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods as well as the Chicagoland casinos, I have learned the following. Cut down on playing every hand out of the shoe, unless you are on a huge win streak and hitting 7-10 out of 10 hands. When there is a chance, meaning when your gut tells you the pattern present will extend and repeat itself and you are winning--go with the flow of the cards--don't get sucked in by the other players with their decisions. Stick to your own key wagers. And the most important, use 2 different wagering styles while you are playing. The first is your flat wagering with some kind of progressions (positive/negative or a mix of both) or straight betting. The second, have one amount that you continually risk to parlay 4 times and then reset no matter what.

    Lastly, don't forget that you can not surpass your highest win plateau every time you play. When you play I strongly belief in the 1/3-1/3-1/3 rule. Meaning, if I win at a certain point, normally when I double or nearly double my instant buy in, depending on how easy or hard the win came, I will then pocket my buy in and play with 2/3's of my win and add the other 1/3 of the win to my buy in that I just pocketed as well. I will then play with the 2/3's win money as I said. Then I look to play with 1/3 of that and hold 1/3 for an additional buy in if things go south.

    Will power and patience above all. And remembering big wins are fine, but not in the casino.
     
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    Great info thank for sharing.
     
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    Actually I wholeheartedly believe the casinos saw a way to manipulate the game. Really, around 2000-2005 or so the game really changed, meaning the players style and wagering techniques. Prior to 2005 or so, and most definitely prior to 2000 by large and far, the game was played mostly on the big tables. Like I mentioned in the above post, that is where the players would take the shoe and deal the cards. Yes, tend to wager more on the Banker and almost the entire table would be on the Banker runs with heavy and hard wagers. It was nothing and common occurrences to see the chip racks run out of all the $1k, $500 and $100 chips. Today, seldom happens. Yes color up, but a lot of old school players don't like to do that, they play with what is winning. But today with the players most of the time "playing for the cut" and less and less camaraderie, they appears to be more competition and battle against each other at the tables or 1 or 2 players against all the rest. Seriously witness less success these days, past 10 years solid anyways, than what there used to be.

    What is sad, these days there is always the, "I know 100% what the shoe is going to do" attitude than before. Before was an easy adaption to almost whatever the shoe did. Today, the players get more frustrated about each other than about the shoe, IMO. What I see happening is a player starts winning and the rest of the table wagers against him; OR, the rest of the table is wagering table minimum and they flaunt knocking out the player that was doing well. No matter what, the player that was doing well, gets frustrated and alters his wagering decisions. Usually for the worst. Then the player that was doing well try's to play along with the other players, then loses. Then the frustration really sets in and it turns into the same crap I see all the time, wager with them and lose, wager against them and lose. Horrible feelings. Bad enough playing against the shoe or the house but the game really does turn into playing against the house and the other players for a lot of people. I see it all the time at multiple venues. Not just at one place. Maybe where shifter players at MGM is different, but I played there only a few times so when I say all over I mean a lot of properties.

    It doesn't happen 100% of the times but a lot of times it does for sure. Unlike before. No easy fix and probably will never go back the way it was. I really cant ever remember steaks of either side where they go to 6-7 plus hands, like 9 to 15 hands or so, get consistently missed. Before maybe 1 rare occasion would they not be wagered on. Today I would say most properties would be a 70/30% chance no one would capitalize on the streaks, maybe one player with a very small amount, unlike where players would parlay a few hundred in the beginning and then after hand 3 or 4 let a few thousand ride and keep pulling down the winning payouts. Just doesn't happen with the frequency it used to.

    Is this common where you guys play as well?
     
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    My book in Nebraska, has taken bets the last couple of years from older Korean small business owners. They gamble football just like they do Baccarat, they all gang up and bet the same team, but rarely place more than one bet per week. He freaks out as getting 20k from a pool of 10 Koreans puts him in a risky situation. He has won a lot of these bets luckily, but he would prefer they split up their action, and make smaller bets and Donk off a few hundys on several games, than this style.

    Sounds like the Casino used to have to deal with this a lot more in the past.
     
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    Many Asians, more so the Chinese than Korean, Japanese, Southeast Asians, pool their BR together and appoint one player to play. Large restaurants in bigger cities frequently do this with 20 employees or so.
     
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    Yep, his local watering hole is in a suburban strip mall, and the main Korean runs a nail salon next door to the Pub. He is the main guy who pools the funds and gets the other stakes raised. Funny thing is, they wanted to make the book show them 20k in cash before they laid their first bet. He made them also bring the cash to show they had the funds to pay. They both saw both sides had the cash and all was good. I wasn't there but the My buddy was the bartender there and he said he had never seen so many $5 and $10 dollar bils. (the Korean contact brought) HaHa.

    Now, they have some trust built up, and all is good, but it was a different sitaution than the normal guy getting some action meet up, or text.
     
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    Glenbaccarat79, fascinating recent history lesson, thanks for sharing.
     
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    I started playing baccarat about 2011 or 2012 so I didn't get to experience the big tables with passing of the shoe. I think Caesars is the only strip casino that has a big table that regularly runs and isn't reserved/special request. Can you pass the shoe there?
     
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    Is the table against the wall of the HL or is it lengthwise?

    They have left it up to the players at the table. If they all agree regular big table style, they allow it. If they don't a compromise is tried. Every time I been there, they will start off big table style, where the players take the shoe and deal the cards themselves and keep the shoe as long as they make a Banker. When the players start losing they always throw the shoe back to the dealer and tell them to switch to Midi/Macau style.
     
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    I was there about 3 weeks ago and they had 2 of them. One of them was against the wall and they had another lengthwise on the left hand side right when you walk in.
     
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    They usually put the lengthwise one in for the holidays, American NY and Asian NY. Most of the time the one against the wall would be there. Usually the one against the wall is always big table style and the other one Midi style.
     
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    Both big tables are there all the time. During the day usually only one is open. Both tables are midi games, unless players request the shoe. For big holidays I have seen them bring in a third table.
     
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    Last Asian New Years 2015 there was the 2 there. in 2014 at times there was only the one on the back wall. IDK anything after Asian New Year's 2015.
     
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    That was a long time ago in Vegas time. Lol.
     
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    Been working at the new business started in spring/early summer of 2014. Bit off more than I could chew actually, looking at trying to find a manager and do other things, we will see. Yeah, but time flies when one's busy.
     
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    Great thread Glen.
     
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