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Baccarat, playing for the cut

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by GlenBaccarat79, Mar 17, 2016.

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  1. GlenBaccarat79

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    Talked to a couple floor people here in the Midwest, both came from larger gaming jurisdictions and have long history at baccarat on the floor. As well, several players that have experience since or before 2000 with the game.

    I know it is not just myself and I know it happens elsewhere.

    What is the current trend among so many players to continually play for the cut?? Meaning they will usually wager the opposite side no matter what the shoe is doing, weak-strong, etc. Of course, when it is weak or chopping, playing the cut is absolutely a money maker, but when it is strong or even making the 2's and 3's, you will get hurt.

    Years ago, lets quantify by saying prior to 2000, almost never would a baccarat table lose capitalizing on a streak or run, at least the majority of the players anyways. Now, it just appears to be the opposite, only a few players do.

    These days, I repeatedly witness the clear majority wagering the cut, even through streaks and runs that are past 4 and 5 spots are present. Some parlay in the hope to recover their loss and many don't.

    I can only assume that has fueled the expansion of many casinos into bringing in the baccarat game when they never did in the past.
     
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    I think it's because people see others losing playing streaks, so they decide that if they play opposite, they will win.

    there definitely seem to be a lot of contrarians at the tables these days. it seems to be hard to find a group of people who all want to play the streaks and win together. there's always one or two at the table who want to go against everyone.

    that's why more recently I've been playing at my own table or just with a couple of people who I know play my way.

    it's great playing and winning with a full table, but it seems to be harder and harder to find such a group.
     
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    Pretty much, and you are spot on about the 'less and less that want to play together'. The greatest games I had and the most amounts won was always with the full tables and everyone playing together. Did have the closest thing to it for a while at CP in Vegas with a bunch of down to earth people (both Asian and non-Asians) playing.

    But just looking back, it sure IS NOT the way it used to be at the bac tables.

    Seldom was any one so obvious years ago, about the opposite the other players, they now figure since you lost a few hands you will continue and they will win wagering against you syndrome.

    But the real money in the game is the run or streaks, no matter if it is 10 in a row, 18 in a row or 18 chop-chop or 20 times 2's, etc. If it is repeating--it is a streak or strong. Years ago it was everyone following and a single or 2 player hold out but these days it appears to be almost completely opposite.

    Maybe that accounts for the other thing I rarely saw years ago?? The 'heads down in the hands' crap at the tables.
     
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    times change, people / players change..................especially from 16 years ago.

    Maybe some bettors just don't want to follow what a single player decides to bet on, and they want to make up their own mind? They have every right to do so. Maybe the whole Bacc culture has changed??

    The guys we know that won the $1 million off a $10k buy in played chop / opposite the whole shoe. Whatever the previous winner was, they bet opposite. They couldn't have cared less what the board said, or what other players were doing. Just the way it is nowadays.....................
     
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    In general, and there always-always exceptions of course, there are less opposite winning wagers per shoe unless the entire shoe was 'chop-chop' meaning, every winning decision alternated the entire shoe. I have only seen 1 shoe in decades that was an entire alternating shoe.

    But what I see the majority of the times is, when it is weak or alternating, they wager for the same side, when it is streaking or running, they once again play for the chop side. Most figure it will do what is least expected.
     
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    they are trying to out think the cards, lol. Or they figure the casino has it in for them so they are going to prove to the casino that they know better and are going to bet the opposite of what the board is showing / telling them to bet
     
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    This is wrong. There are an equal number of "opposite" results as there are "repeats", in the long run. Fortunately, we only play one shoe (or for the better players, only part of one shoe) at a time. In any given shoe there can be a significant variance between opposites and repeats. Anyone who choses to play a certain way (i.e., just playing repeats or just opposites -- the "cut", as you call it) without considering what the shoe is doing is a fool.
     
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    Yes, a better way to explain it certainly.

    In the long run, correct. Sit down any night and watch 3 to 5 shoes and here will certainly be variances and can be either way, more opposites or more repeats. Agreed. But we don't see 10,000 or 100,000 or 1 million shoes a night or a weekend of play. More players these days play for the cut, as I said. If it's 4 Banks in a row they will be wagering Players and the will continue to do so even through 7 and 8 and 9 Bankers. If it is alternating, they will be wagering for the repeat. Yes, they can do anything they choose to do like VegasBJ insinuated I thought was not the way it should be. Maybe because now all tables have a board and everyone stares at the board just about. Before, there were no boards, some kept manual score and some did not. I do believe an equal amount paid no attention before, which isn't the case these days.
     
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    Glen, it's just the same as if Red came up 5-9 times in a row in roulette, everyone would be betting on Black. always bet on Black...
     
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    And the number 20/Black also?
     

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