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A tale of gambling feelings

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by tom4u, Sep 19, 2016.

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  1. tom4u

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    I agree and you saw through my two different examples.
    Supposedly, in BJ, another player's bad play has neutral affect on your results. If that is true, would that alter your feelings or is it because you "saw" what would have happened in hindsight?
     
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    Baccarat, if played enough, gives you the thrill, excitement and illusion of control.
    The ability to win/lose big is purely on your decision (you don’t control the cards that come out in BJ or dice).

    The casino doesn’t force you to bet Player or Banker, you get to choose. And you know one of the sides will win. Combine this with the visual patterns you see in the shoe… makes it pretty exciting to wager what’s next.

    You get to decide on your own fate.

    That symbolic meaning of controlling your own fate… is what we strive for in life isn’t it?

    Superstitions arise from that basic premise, I think.
     
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    I've heard that too about BJ - that other people's play doesn't affect you on a long term basis.

    I mean, obviously people can affect the order of the cards, but that could also work out in your favor 20 hands later and you don't think of it like that. Basically, over the long term it comes out in the wash and has a neutral impact.

    I guess that makes sense and I believe it.

    But in the example above let's say I was playing $100 a hand. With the double down, I'd be down $200 on that hand instead of up $200. That's a $400 swing and now that guy is labeled an asshole in my mind.

    Here's the thing - even if I choose to believe that it doesn't affect me and that the decision that he made just might save me 10 hands later in the shoe, it would still get under my skin and irritate me. Then, I would be playing with less than 100% focus and confidence and the chance of going on tilt and deviating from my strategy is greater. This is where the problem lies. It's all mental. It's an issue that will knock you off your game and that's when bad things happen.

    I would still prefer to cash out and move tables. For me, keeping my head straight and my mental game sharp is priority #1. If moving tables makes me feel better even though there's no mathematical advantage to doing so, then so be it.
     
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    P.S. And anyone who hits 13 against a 6 is an asshole
     
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    I can sum this up in two words- Shit Happens. You can't control what other people are capable of. It hurts for us dedicated BJ players, but there is nothing you can do about it.

    Some days you're the bear and some days you're the rabbit.
     
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    I think the amount of money makes all the difference. But that is the thrill for a lot of people that gamble. I'm still a bit gunshy in that regards.

    A poor loser? I think that is the person that blames everything and anything for their loss. Its either the person that hit when they should have stayed... the dealer for dealing bad cards, the person who jinxed the hand or roll etc. Its the people that don't want to believe that they are playing a game where they are at a disadvantage, so there must be another reason that their money is going down the drain.
     
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    At my local, we'll make the same offer and give them a freeroll to take down their bets as well.
    Some people have tried to exploit that generosity over time and or animosity has risen in the past and those freerolls rarely get offered now.

    Of course that offer is -ev. However, it's nice to have a good sense of positive energy and camaraderie on the table when you play as you've mentioned before Glen.

    On EZ bac table, players with big bonus dragons bets out there will offer to pay the person peeling the cards if they don't have a bonus bet out there and happen to peel dragons. The specific situation would be everyone betting Player while having dragons bets. And there is a lone small Banker bettor without a dragon bet.

    I agree these things happened more in the past than now. And usually among friendly regulars who have learned and understood the "unwritten code" of behavior etiquette. Such things don't make logical sense but it is what it is.

    I play regularly but rarely trying to book daily big wins, small-medium wins or breaking even is enough to make me happy. Rather I just enjoy my drink and conversation with colleagues about life/work/family and have sporadic bets in between, hoping to be at the right place and time when hot shoes appear. The fun and enjoyment of the game is maintained that way for me.
     
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    I was at the El Co a few trips back, and there was this guy & his girlfriend playing table-minimum at my two-deck table... he was doing all sorts of crazy stuff...hitting the 13 against the 6? Check. Standing with 12 against a 10? Check. Doubling hard 7 against a 9? You bet. Splitting 5s and 10s? Several times.
    A couple of players started making comments after the first few of these... so, I made it my mission to point out every single time this guy's bad play actually saved the table... It was actually quite fascinating, as he actually helped us more often than he hurt us.... everybody lightened-up...and this guy actually started asking me & the other players what the correct play was for many of his hands...
     
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