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A tale of gambling feelings

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  1. tom4u

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    A tale of gambling feelings


    You’re dealt 11 vs dealer 6.
    Player before you has 13 and decides to hit. You bite your tongue and he busts with a 10.
    You proceed to double and get a 4 for a 15.
    Dealer reveals 3 and 6, hits to get 10 for 19.
    You lose.

    “#$%! That guy. You son of a !##@%.... Stupid motherf…. Idiot … I would have won if this idiot knew how to play.”:banghead:

    Okay, this next one is definitely going to be Banker. Big boy pants on, its go time. Big bet on Banker. Everyone follows… except one guy.
    He bets table minimum “against” table. WTF.
    Minimum guy gets natural to win:mad:.

    “You moronic stupid idiot son of a…” “why you jinx me and the table stupid piece of sh…”

    These thoughts and variations of them run rampant through out a casino.

    Have you had such thoughts?!

    I have too.:D

    We need a scapegoat… a reason (no matter how silly) to direct that built up energy. Where is all that energy generated going to go?

    Yeah, to that son of a !@#$ …right?!:p

    Energy is a fragile and dangerous thing if we don’t have a healthy outlet for it.:whistle:

    That person (of course there are exceptions!) had no intention of personally offending you. It really had to do with themselves and very little to do with you personally. Most people making bets have a selfish mentality of wanting to win (I know, such greedy bastards:wacky:).

    Your action and bets usually aren’t even on their radar.

    A tsunami, also known as a seismic sea wave, is a series of waves in a water body caused by the displacement of a large volume of water, generally in an ocean or a large lake (thanks Wikipedia)

    It’s quite an accurate description of emotions that arise during gambling. When your emotional balance is displaced by a losing big result or cumulative results.

    Intelligence and logic flies out the window as soon as possible when emotions rise like a Tsunami.

    The blame game starts… your eyes dart around, teeth clenched, biting your lips. Or you open your mouth and spew some whimsical sentences.

    All of these self-acts actually help calm you down.
    Not necessarily the most optimal or mature way of releasing these energies, but it works…until it doesn’t.

    When it stops working, it’s usually not by choice or you realized through self-reflection and have a desire to be a decent human being.

    Understanding. We often want to be understood, maybe even the center of attention. All it does is feed your ego with very little reward or long term +ev.
    Ideally, try understanding others, learn, make efforts. It's +ev in every way you look at it. Plus the more you understand others, the more you will understand yourself and those close to you.

    Few gamblers will honestly share how much each bet means to them. The value of money to their personal life may be worth a lot more than they are presenting.

    Whatever the bet sizing on the surface is, it may be disguising much more personal issues below the surface.

    A person getting angry/emotional after losing a “small” bet doesn’t reflect a particular outcome. That instantaneous energy reflects the moment but stems from a much longer built history.

    Therein lies the understanding and empathy for a person.

    “I gamble for fun” – said no one ever.

    You gamble because you get a thrill from it and you WANT to win.
    Or you have a problem. If you do, please seek out help, it will get worse if you don’t.

    Other gamblers frustrate me all the time and my emotions run along a wide spectrum.

    Negative emotions arise when losing. Maybe you are winning in the session, but still losing over the years. This greatly affects your behavior choices.

    Being more self-aware would diminish a lot of negative expressions, which are very energy consuming. It’s tiring and can wear you down without realizing.

    Vegas – where smiles are abundant and facades of carefree expressions roam.

    Some fake smile after losing.
    Pretending the loss meant nothing to them.
    Some actually don’t care, though very few and rare.
    You do care.:eek:


    Whether it’s a losing bet, losing trip, losing “because” of another player’s actions... you will feel. Feeling something is good for your health.

    How you express that feeling is where disagreements arise and becomes debatable.

    Some of us (most of us?) miss what it’s like to be a kid. Not having major responsibilities to manage and worry about. Care free –ish.

    This doesn’t make it right to act like a child as an adult though. Taking responsibility for our actions now weigh much more in being a decent person.

    It’s really easy to be happy/mature/generous/ when you are winning in the session or at life.

    Anybody can look like a great person when life is going well for them.

    The challenge and growth to being a decent human being is how we are during the roughest, difficult, stressful times.

    I wished I didn’t get upset when someone does something that I “perceive” affected me in a negative manner. Those players who hit on 13 when dealer shows 6… when others appear to see I am losing my ass and wait for me to bet, only to bet the opposite “against” me. When a dealer says or acts in a manner that I “interpret” as annoying or stupid and affects my enjoyment of the game.

    Even with my knowledge, I still feel.

    I got the feels man.

    But I’ll keep trying to be a better human being. It’s the only way I’ll ever have a chance winning at life.

    Winning by being better.:)


    P.s. On a vegas forum, I talk in terms of gambling. However, I’m also talking about life and how we act in general and if you understand, thank you.


    Tldr – Yo! No one’s out to get you. You’re your own mess of feelings. Check yourself. Falala lalala …

    Do you have the feels? :p
    Feel free to share...

    Come on in... sit down on the couch.... how are you today?
     
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    I used to angry after losing sessions... I stopped doing that many years ago.
    I tend to genuinely have fun whether I'm losing or winning...unless I'm extremely tired...then I can become impatient...but that's usually because of really slow players, really slow dealers or somebody being rude & obnoxious because they're drunk.
    I feel 'disappointment' like anyone else does when I lose. But I don't get mad.
    I've learned that variance works both ways... the winning runs will come to offset those losing ones... if not on this trip, then on the next one....but very likely, it will happen in the next session or three.
    My friends would tell you - I'm the most annoyingly optimistic gambler to play with... but they eventually laugh & get silly right along with me - win or lose!
    Casinos are a whole lot more fun that way!
     
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    Play long enough and you'll see some of the stupidest plays one could possibly make. The cards do have backs after all, so unless you're in a circa 1950 counted deck game, none of it matters.
     
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    Do you think your temperament now is based on experience or your natural character in general?
     
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    Well - to be honest - it's probably a bit of both... I've become less worried about money, and more focused on "fun" as I've aged...but certainly, allowing myself to be angry and/or bitter in the past always turned out to be a decidedly unpleasant experience...always. So, in that sense, experience has taught me to not take such things so seriously that I cannot laugh at them, or have fun anyway.
     
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    While I have you here, I was curious what you think on how big an edge it is if playing double deck by yourself, playing two spots, and they temporarily allowed you to see both your hands for over an hour before playing first hand.
     
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    Not huge, but it is a plus... on strong counts (both minus and plus), your 2nd hand play could have important information that could benefit the outcome, such as not doubling, or standing with a 16...
    But to be clear - it would be no more than the benefit you get by playing a two-deck shoe game, where all player cards are dealt face-up. (El Cortez two-deck game, for example).

    edit-to-add: For your first hand, it could also help - again - no more so than a two-deck shoe would.
     
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    I don't get upset when people play incorrectly and it directly leads to a loss for me. Not everybody cares to learn basic strategy in the case of blackjack and nobody knows what the order of the cards is until they are dealt.

    I do get frustrated if i'm having a bad session. For example, i was at a table in Reno a month or so ago. I would often get a 13, 14, or 15 with the dealer showing a 10. id hit and bust, and the dealer would have a 4, 5 or 6 under. I couldn't get a win at all at that table... but i typically just laugh it off... like.. this is ridiculous... but I hold my emotions in check.

    If I played over my head, i might have a more irrational response, but i do ok playing within my comfort level.
     
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    You guys and your discipline, logic and playing within your means, get out of here with that stuff! (j/k. Love it!)

    At some point a person acts unbecoming after losing.

    Example, Get it all in preflop with AA vs KK and lose. The level of disappointment and annoyance is strongly correlated to pot size.

    Lose a $200 pot with AA vs KK… haha laugh it off. Variance etc. move on
    Lose 100k pot with AA vs KK… it isn’t funny anymore!

    My theory is that of lost rare opportunity. I will be in a lot more situations to win back that 200. I won’t be in that spot to win 100k as often and thus upset. Assuming playing within means.

    When I see a baccarat player get really upset losing a bet… I wonder why? (it's not like they've never lost a hand before) I can eliminate opportunities because he can create the opportunity as often as he likes. Is it then because that player has reached their threshold?

    Is that threshold more correlated to their net worth or they just hate losing so many hands in a row?

    What contributes to being a “poor loser” ? a little of this and that is the answer, I’m looking for it to be more defined.
     
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    Tom, I'm glad you brought this up.

    In the first situation, I would be pissed. I understand that not everyone played perfect strategy all the time (including me), but hitting on a dealer 6 with 13 should be an obvious stay. To answer honestly, I would probably say something like "wow, hitting a 13 against a 6? Ok I'm outta here - please color me up" and I would leave the table.

    However in the second example I wouldn't be even slightly upset. The shoe is predetermined, and nobody can change the cards. To be upset is just superstition only - no actual change to the game that would affect your payout. However in BJ, other people have the real ability to affect your cards and, thus, your payout.

    Baccarat is a new game to me, so maybe some of you can enlighten me as to what the different superstitions are. I just look at it as something similar to a coin flip, and your ability to guess correctly more often than not.
     
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