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Discussion in 'Table Games' started by GlenBaccarat79, Feb 17, 2016.

  1. GlenBaccarat79

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    What is a property to you?

    For myself, a property is the avenue to sit and gamble, first and foremost. I don't care about the complete aura of the place as if asking, 'do I fit in here'. I don't care about what shows are there or what restaurants are there. When it really boils down tot he core, everything outside the casino does not matter, in the casino. If the place is good to play at, I can always go elsewhere for something special I desired.

    IMO, the most important aspect of choosing, staying or playing and continuing to play is the casino being 'seamless'. Having action at the tables, the dealers, the floor people and the basic stuff I need is there and good. I go to the casino for the action and the chance to win. Not to wine and dine myself or others in a pretentious and fake surrounding that may or may not be free (if I don't lose that is). I could go to world class restaurants in major cities and pay for the experiences (did many hundreds of times in NYC of course) and with no chance of losing thousands of times the cost of the meal (oooops, for some it is an experience). Years ago, I would have choose properties by the suites and the restaurants.

    Sure if you win money, stay in the lap of luxury and everything goes like clockwork, OMG, it's like an erection with constant sex, great times and free cash to boot. But, it doesn't always go that way and it is the worst and sometimes for others, devastating consequences when it does not.

    Had some great games with some great players at places like the Golden Nugget and Palace Station even the Gold Coast, the last 2 have a shit load of Asian players for baccarat, probably the busiest 2 casinos in Vegas for baccarat actually I think. Had some miserable games at the Bellagio and C.P. as well. So, all in all, a winning, fun and good experience at the table can happen at any place IMO. Just depends on the choices we limit ourselves to and the situations we allow ourselves to remain in.

    So, with that said, I look for; Action-Dealers-Floor People and good basic services that are all conducive to myself getting into the table action. 2 Hours, 4 hours or staying at the property.

    Action. Enough baccarat and table game players that I can sit down and play almost anytime when ready. Properties that are dead and also dead at most times in the high limit rooms or limited baccarat action are not the easiest to play at IMO.

    Dealers. Dealers that know how to run the game, not puzzles, make hardly any mistakes, and are smooth. Dealers that don't let their attitudes get effected by some of the players insults and rudeness. Dealers that are fun to play at their tables and know how to interact.

    Floor People. Again, almost like dealers. Floor that is smooth, knows the rules and are genuine and resolves or heads off problems before or right when they happen. Floor people that don't take everything to the extreme and forget that there is leeway, good judgment and the overall picture.

    Basic Good Stuff. Doesn't matter whether the Palace Station, Caesar's, Bellagio, Golden Nugget, Tropicana. Bathrooms that are clean, lounge sitting area/snack area, great service, food that I/We enjoy, and so on. And with 'Good basic stuff' I would throw the host personnel in there too. The relationship and what they do and most of all, it has to be done with 100% consistency, that is what makes a great host.

    My favorites are; Planet H, Bellagio, Mirage, C.P., Red Rock, Palace Station. Then; G.N., Gold Coast, RIO and Tropicana. Red Rock is a great property, only problem is the lack of action in Baccarat. Same with Tropicana. But if 3 or 4 others were with me, that problem would be solved for the few hours of play. Then we control the whole table and the pace anyways.
     
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  2. VEGASBJ

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    you mean like the Wynn??:smuggrin:
     
  3. GlenBaccarat79

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    I detest the Wynn cause there is always some kind of dumb shit problem there and their staff could not really give two shits and the insult to players, is the staff really shows it. Maybe the same at many other places and businesses, but at least they cover it up or don't come across like, 'so what'. Okay, vented again.

    You see the Wynn on my list. They don't need me, they don't want me, the don't care. They have players begging to play there and instead of walking in on a red carpet and being treated well, at The Wynn, it is just the opposite.
     
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    Glen, I think that most properties that I have played at have what you are describing- lounges, nice clean private bathrooms, snacks or light food service, etc. Also, if the casino knows you as a player a lot of the dealers / floor, etc will make the time more enjoyable as you have a relationship from prior play.

    I think a lot of what you are describing is also trying to make a case to play at lesser properties just because there are other players there that you can sit down with? Of course the Gold Coast will have a lot of players there because the tables are $25 limit, lol. Of course Bellagio HL may be dead at times due to the higher table minimums. As a primarily BJ player, I prefer to play alone, or maybe just one other player. Not having a crowded room is a blessing for me. I know that it is different for Bacc with the camaraderie aspect. But just because Gold Coast is busy with their $25 Bacc tables doesn't make a case for playing there.

    When you gamble you generate theo, that can be used towards comps, and I personally would rather use those comps eating or staying at the Wynn, B, Aria, MGM, etc. Why gamble at these lesser, off strip properties when you really are not getting anything in return? Yes, you can eat at the Gold Coast, but why? Wouldn't you rather eat at one of Bellagio's restaurants? For me, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to visit these off strip properties, get nothing in return worth having, just because the tables are busy??
     
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    I'm a firm believer in gambling where you're comfortable and have fun.

    besides giving you enjoyment, that gives you the best chance to win and isn't that why we're all playing to begin with?

    I know people who play at the rattiest places because they just kill them every time, so why not?

    the problem is losing at those places makes you feel like shit because you get nothing. I've gotten my ass beat at Wynn almost every time I've been there and never stayed there and only had one meal. so I've left thousands in comps on the table, which makes me feel like a slut whore for continuing to come back time and time again after getting fucked without even as much as a reach around.

    if you can find a place you like and have good enough luck at and enjoy the staff, etc, I think why would you go anywhere else?
     
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    You know honestly to me, it is the table action with baccarat. Not necessarily the 'rating tier' high line/mid line/low line property itself. Yes the tables are busiest I think at Palace Station for baccarat. And no, its not a Wynn (although they don't take 45 minuets to process front money, LOL) and there are $5k limits, husband and wife can play for a $10k limit of course, but anyways, some good action, food is good as well and the camaraderie flows most of the time. I have not stayed there, I stay almost all times Mid Strip and once in a while Red Rock and Golden Nugget.

    The way I view it, is I have so much comp level without staying much at MGM, I usually get about anything we ever want there when popping in for a few hours to play while staying with CET. As far as staying mid-strip and playing 2-3-4 shoes up at Place Station, I would get say a $500 dinner covered easily by the host. On the other hand, as far as staying with CET mid-strip and continually playing all my hours everyday somewhere else, that would not go over big. But that's really not what I was saying here.

    To me, playing say where Shifter does @ MGM and at my level $750ish to $3k a hand with my BR, I wont have the flexibility as staying with PH, CP or even the Mirage or the Bellagio. Personally the HL room is too big, the players more uptight and most of them going for the kill or trying to do huge comebacks from the numerous times I been there, even more so than most other places.

    I have a Rob D's number still in my cell phone under MGM, I remember speaking to him and after he looked at my MGM chain play, the offer was basically RFB for 2 or 4 people, a 1 or possibly 2 bedroom suite and anything else after review, etc., etc. But the problem a few times I was going to go there was the weekends and events. It was busy and the definitive 2 bedroom large suite moves to a small 1 bedroom suite with a possible connecting room or another room elsewhere for the second room, etc. Other properties don't do that to me and they tell me what it is before arrival and never changes. MGM is huge and has huge players, they can do that, that is why I wont play there I guess. I am not a 1/2 million or 1 million $ player, I am only a $50k to $100k player without a marker line. But I get treated nicely without complaints at CP, PH, even Mirage and great offers from the host that took Johnny's place at the Bellagio.

    Even if we were at the Bellagio, I would still run over to Palace Station and play for several hours. The action is constant and with the right group of people, things click especially in baccarat. Personally I like the Oyster Bar and their Asian food is pretty good too. On another note, I have seen countless times in baccarat where somewhere wagering table max, doesn't matter if it $5k max or $25k a hand max, cant get a single win in 10 hands. All of a sudden some $25.00 or $100.00 player wagering table min., is spot on for like 10 out of 12 hands. It just happens.

    When I am in a casino, I good give a rats ass if they have $50,000.00 a night villas with butlers and they fly people in on their private jets or if the fanciest room is a regular type suite that rack rate, non comp'd, would probably be around $450.00 a night.
     
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    Example, we can be at Caesar's and the table min's are $100/200/300 or $500 up to $25k, that's off the street with special limits of course. At times every table has action and the players are all fun to play with. However, at times they are light and only a few open tables. The players have their heads down in their hands looking all frustrated and pissed off. I walk out and go over to PH or Palace Station or even down to the GN.

    I don't think I ever wager less than $500 a hand and I am fairly certain my averages are well above that every trip. I don't have a problem playing with others at the so-called 'lesser' properties. I have had great times paying a few shoes and making $50k or so at a place like Palace Station. However I don't get stuck there and I don't bring my whole BR there either. It just is a different atmosphere to me and one that is actually less formal and stressful without the huge money on the tables at times.
     
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    Man! Sure feels good to cut loose and let your hair down on our new board! Thanks again for having me.
    For me, I have been pleasantly surprised by a property. I'll walk in off the street, eyeball a table or two or three, throw my ass in a seat and let her rip! Lo' and behold, TI became the scene of my greatest blackjack run ever, and on a CSM at that! I tend to revisit a casino based on how I feel and that is subject to change without notice (usually depends on winning/losing). Sure, there's some degree of loyalty in a effort to build a good relationship, but just how loyal are the bean counters to us anyway? You all have taught me to not play for comps, so I play where I'm comfortable. I enjoy Bellagio, MGM, PH and Cosmo.
     
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    As you all have stated or implied, the odds of games like Baccarat don't change between properties. I am not superstitious, so I don't believe in "lucky casinos" or vice versa.
    So I like to play where the best pussies hang out.
     
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    I used to enjoy blackjack with old timers in smokey Binions.
    Now I want comfortable high level accomodations, service, food and, of course, good games.
    I agree with VegasBJ with blackjack. Which means HL rooms almost exclusively.
    Spoiled I guess.
     
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    BJ and Bacc are definitely different.

    BJ I never want to play with other people unless I'm playing with friends.

    Bacc I like to play by myself sometimes, but I love playing with other people who play like you and you get the camaraderie going and help each other out and all win together. there's nothing better than that.
     
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    I'm almost the opposite, I don't care much who's at the table for baccarat or craps, but I love being at a full blackjack table where I can BS with the rest of the people there and not have to worry about choosing between extended chatting with the dealer (which always feels kind of awkward) or just sitting there silently (which also feels kind of awkward).
     
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    I play piddly ass Blackjack, $15-$25, so you now where I am. Who I don't want at the table are:

    Assholes who berate the dealer
    Sloppy drunks
    Know-it-all fucktards who know dick
    Cards slammers/card yellers/card mutterers/other socially pestilent sorts
     
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